Jerry Macnamara often says “success without fulfillment is the greatest business ripoff.” Why does he say that, and why is the leadership gap the greatest threat to what and who you lead?

This week on the podcast, William interviews Jerry Macnamara, who has successfully led award-winning companies in multiple industries: retail, manufacturing, internet, construction and business services. He’s sold products, he’s sold services, and over the last 25 years, he’s grown companies in B2B and B2C.

He says, The product doesn’t matter. The service doesn’t matter. The industry doesn’t matter. The channel doesn’t matter. Business is widgets. (PS – Your business is NOT different.) The only thing that matters is your approach.

Jerry’s company, Proven Chaos, helps CEOs create compelling companies that outperform…and still make it home by dinner. Get in touch with him at

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